I've started using Logseq only a couple days ago, after having used Bear and Obsidian before.
The thing about my note-taking has always been that I'm creating lists with increasingly nested bullet points, with some occasional prose in-between. The problem being that lists go down on the page (as you add new stuff at the top) and get forgotten. I haven't realized - until recently, that is - that outliner tools are actually created for this very use-case.
I'm specifically not interested in the knowledge-base use-case. It's more like creating lists with points being current thoughts, topics, and ideas, and the sub-bullets being new realisations/further thoughts about the point, with the list occasionally getting very deeply nested. Something akin to discussing with yourself.
Having now given Logseq a try, it looks like it's much closer to the increasingly-nested lists workflow I've been looking for. One of the bigger discoveries was the "turn this block into its own page" command, that kind of made the tool click and is a very good solution for when the lists get too deeply nested.
Btw, what do people recommend for sync? I've heard of data-loss being a common problem with standard cloud sync.
Logseq's own sync is now in testing and you can access it if you're a sponsor ($15/month tier). I became one just to try it out. It works fine but has enough bugs that I wouldn't rely on it yet - but they are responsive to fixing the bugs that we report.
Just saying this to let you know that their sync is reasonably far along in development and one option would be to wait it out.
These tools are struggling it seems to make money and are forcing some super high prices for syncing. Obsidians sync price is nutty. $15/mo for logseq is equally nutty.
I would really urge these companies to try to find a better way. You can’t bend your users over that want seamless sync. Take a little from a larger user base so you aren’t charging so damn much for sync. It’s ridiculous.
Charge $12 a year for some common features as a base package. If users want to go higher up add sync at a reasonable price and give them the same features plus sync.
Sync pricing shouldn’t subsidize free users, at least in my opinion.
It's not 15$/mo for sync, though. They're just opening up the closed alpha in stages, from the highest tiers to the lowest. Right now the ones donating 15$/mo have access.
Have you tried RemNote? Every bullet is a node, so there's no block/page choice to make. The syncing is real-time CRDTs for each bullet, so no conflicts.
Used WorkFlowy for about 7 years, dropped it when I got tired of the lack of feature updates, no end-to-end encryption and only Dropbox for automatic backups.
I use syncthing with logseq and I'm pretty happy with the match up. You do have to be careful when you have multiple logseq instances running at the same time. I try to avoid that. I utilize the re-index feature quite a bit too.
I love syncthing itself though! I used to use resilio sync and syncthing is so much better.
The thing about my note-taking has always been that I'm creating lists with increasingly nested bullet points, with some occasional prose in-between. The problem being that lists go down on the page (as you add new stuff at the top) and get forgotten. I haven't realized - until recently, that is - that outliner tools are actually created for this very use-case.
I'm specifically not interested in the knowledge-base use-case. It's more like creating lists with points being current thoughts, topics, and ideas, and the sub-bullets being new realisations/further thoughts about the point, with the list occasionally getting very deeply nested. Something akin to discussing with yourself.
Having now given Logseq a try, it looks like it's much closer to the increasingly-nested lists workflow I've been looking for. One of the bigger discoveries was the "turn this block into its own page" command, that kind of made the tool click and is a very good solution for when the lists get too deeply nested.
Btw, what do people recommend for sync? I've heard of data-loss being a common problem with standard cloud sync.