Who here has worked at a boring desk job, in a cubicle hell, where you hardly talk to your neighbor? Who here has been the last one out on a Friday, simply because you've started browsing the web and have nothing better to do?
I'd like to know more about what her desk was like? Was she situated with her back to other people, so it wasn't obvious that she was unresponsive? Did people leave her undisturbed, out of politeness? Did she pass late Friday afternoon, and no one noticed?
Two things of note: her last badge-in was on a Friday, and her body was noticed on a Tuesday, so two of those days were when the office was closed. The other is that almost everybody in the office, according to the article, works remotely. So, it's possible not many people even had a chance to notice her between when she died on Friday (presumably) and when she was finally found on Tuesday.
However, that office supposedly has round the clock security, and the security on duty didn't pick up on anything unusual. Unless there's some rule against security monitoring the area where she worked, it's possible BOA corporate needs to review its physical security procedures, and possibly its security staff. In any case, something is broken there.
It's surprisingly easy to miss a dead person, it's not like they have a pink neon "HEY I'M BEING DEAD OVER HERE".
> However, that office supposedly has round the clock security, and the security on duty didn't pick up on anything unusual.
I can imagine that if I had the security officer's job, and I walked around same office every single day, I'd really stop caring at some point and could potentially miss a dead body. It's an office, not airplane landing checklist after all. Probably the guy was looking for things like open doors or damaged equipment.
I was thinking that a security guard who monitored the building might notice the one person who was at their desk over the weekend, or in the middle of the night. The most likely explanation is that they are completely checked out of their job and didn't really perform it to the spirit or even the letter of their responsibility, but I want to give them the benefit of the doubt.
I had three big monitors and ANC headphones. I didn't hear a thing. I
was sitting relaxed alone in my room, other co-workers from the same
room were on vacations.
I didn't hear the alarm. The guy who had to check if everyone evacuated
just glanced over my room and didn't see me, as I was behind the
monitors. When I was about to to get some water, I've discovered that
the fire doors were all activated.
I remember the feeling when I was going outside the office by using the
fire staircase (elevators were off), and seeing firemen passing by, all
looking at me as if I was some kind of an alien visiting earth. That
feeling now tells me that it's completely believable to miss a dead
person for a few days, especially if two days are the weekend. Someone
didn't do their job, but this happens, sometimes in the worst time
possible. In such cases, we get the news like in this situation.
> Prudhomme's cubicle was reportedly on the third floor and away from the main aisle.
> They said while most employees at the Wells Fargo office work remote, the building has 24/7 security and someone should have found Prudhomme sooner.
Very sad, although admittedly I thought the title meant she worked for four days before dying of exhaustion. She actually just had a secluded office in an empty building
> She actually just had a secluded office in an empty building
Which makes me remember about the stories of people forced to return to office after the lockdowns, just to find themselves in empty buildings because everyone else gets to work from home
It's the primary benefit of open offices. I know if you're at least pretending to work, nobody's going to die on the job without everyone's knowledge. Her "estate" can probably make a case for Monday pay even if she died on Friday. That's not happening in an open office. Move the corpse out, keep everyone focused, and stay lean to boot.
Think about all the things at work that you are sooooo worried about, and seem soooo important. Probably for a company who literally wouldn't notice or even care if you just died at your desk.
Kind of sums up how people continue to give their lives; their most important years to corporations for self worth and validation when in reality, you mean nothing to them. You're invisible.
People tend to forget how grueling pre-modern life before modern society etc., was for people. Most people were one bad season away from starvation and penury. No air conditioning/heat, medicines, heathy food, hygiene, good shelter, lighting, etc.
I'm not saying working in early mills or factories was fun, but it beat the hell out of subsistence living so much that people opted for that to remaining in the hinterlands --this still is the case in modern China --that's why there are so many illegal internal migrants moving to city manufacturing sectors.
And yet, despite all that Payirti turned right around, left modern life, the arguing, the fighting, the diabetes, and returned to life as a hunter gather in the vast Kiwirrkurra desert.
survivorship bias. the hunter gather lifestyle also kills a lot of people, often through little more than tripping over a stone or eating the wrong seeds[1]
Can that sustain 8-billion? Can they live totally disconnected from modern life? Is it sustainable above and below the tropics of cancer and capricorn?
I know there are some !Kung who live alright as bushmen, in a mild climate, but it's not an easy life. Anyhow, more power to them if they remove all traces of modernity from their lives.
Not that I disagree with everything, but 8 billions argument seems misplaced to me. Why should a life style support that many, if valid?
Logistic map (aka uncontrolled growth of population or overpopulation) is basically the fundamental source of suffering for all living things. Instead of planning for food, nature just overproduces demand and lets the weak starve to death and the average to just starve.
Rather than asking how it would support billions, we should ask how we are planning to not suffer in these numbers. Haven’t heard it regarding our current life style. Everyone tells us to reproduce more and pay more and more astronomic bills and loans, that’s it.
> Why should a life style support that many, if valid?
Personally, I would say a lifestyle that isn't just a thought experiment should answer one of
A) How do you support the current population of the planet like this?
B) How do you humanely reduce the population over time if you can't?
Obviously still value in thought experiments, but if you're talking about real life, ignoring those two questions gets a bit euthanasia/genocide-y pretty easily. "Every human being alive today not existing" should probably not pass the lifestyle test suite, right?
Most people in the world can’t work high-income jobs or live in nice single-family houses in pleasant spacious places. It seems like the rubric you are proposing would ban people who are able to enjoy these privileges from thinking about how they can improve their own lifestyles. Regression to mean is not my objective for myself or my family. That said, I certainly believe we should do what we can to improve the lot for most people, but it is simply not realistic to imagine that the only valid ways of life are those which can scale to the whole global population.
The world’s a very big place with a hugely diverse set of possible “valid” lifestyles (and limited ability to influence their reality). So what’s the big deal with proposing that maybe for some people a return to the land or to subsistence is a legitimate option?
We clearly don’t support anything now, so this argument seems to be in the same category of wishful thinking. These questions could be asked if the current system passed the tests. People already have 0-1 kids. They gather in packs to live in cardboard boxes with nominal utilities.
A system with free agents is very prone to painting itself into a corner, it’s unstable by design. One of the issues that we have is that on the brink of catastrophe we are still asking ourselves whether the less carastrophic measures are ethical. But times of “we do what we want” end with the last decent square mile allocated for crops and housing.
We’re at such hard physical limits for the first time, so it will take a couple of world wars to figure out new rules, I guess.
Is that a first person observation, guesswork, or dubious inference on the basis of sparse evidence of occasional battles in some parts of the world?
The certitiude of comments such as yours is always intriguing.
For reference, in the region in question there's no archealogical evidence of any pitched battles in the Tanimi and genetic evidence supports people arriving in various parts of Australia and pretty much staying where they got to tens of thousands of years back until the 1800's at least.
It’s possible he spent his life studying the subject or watches a lot of Gistory Channel that often reveals blunt force trauma as a cause of death in various archeological digs. It seems to be a recurring theme that is safe enough to generalize without verbose reasoning attached.
Pitched battles weren't a Stone Age occurence, true. That is more of a state and proto-state phenomenon. Tribal wars usually had form of raiding.
There is ample evidence for homicide among hunters and gatherers, though. We don't like to hear it, because the Noble Savage myth is still going strong.
For one it means nobody noticed the woman was dead in an office for four days, there was no wellness check. It's likely the people she knew best were at work, and well, this is one possible outcome of that lifestyle.
Yep, work can provide a lot of value to the mind and general day to day well being but at its core, it's all a facade and at some point, everyone realizes it but by then, the biological clock ticked past to the point of no return.
It means you should not sacrifice your health or relationships with spouse and kids for a company which cares so little about you that you could literally die in your cube and nobody would notice or care.
On the one hand you're blaming the company for not keeping good tabs on workers, on the other you're blaming coworkers and friends for not noticing.
How is the company and how are coworkers supposed to care more? Are they supposed to act like gulags with daily roll-calls before and after work where you seek to find out if anyone escaped?
This was a lightly used floor of an office that had hybrid workers and it happened over a weekend. I really don't know what more you're asking for? Maybe you want cadaver dogs roaming the floors on a daily basis just in case?
Hmmm....trying to figure out why you think I'm blaming the company. I'm not really--the company is not your friend, and it's not your family, nor should it be.
// I really don't know what more you're asking for? //
I'm asking you and everybody who is reading this not to confuse the company with your family and friends. No matter how much time you take away from your friends and family and give to the company, the company will--and should!--fire you as soon as they can find a cheaper way to do your job. It absolutely does not care if you die at your desk and alone. Nor should it.
I can think of two separate friends of my family who lost adult children in this way. They died in their apartments and weren't found for close to a week. One of them was actually a childhood friend of mine.
I looked at my karma and it dropped a point. I thought, did I post something negative? Then I come to this huge thread my comment spawned. Glad one person got what I was trying to say. Wish you the best.
That would push my point even further. Work gave her solace, why find a husband? I can do it. Why breed? I can have animals. Why be a mother? Work is work and working for a corporation makes me happy. Yet she died at her work for what?
Yes, this happens to all people but I believe it happens more often because complicate our lives.
I'd like to know more about what her desk was like? Was she situated with her back to other people, so it wasn't obvious that she was unresponsive? Did people leave her undisturbed, out of politeness? Did she pass late Friday afternoon, and no one noticed?